A (different) Innovation Journey

What will the process of creation and renewal look like by 2035? How will we leverage innovation to meet the challenges of the future in areas from our power grid and collaborative intelligence to community health and resilience building? Explore questions, ideas, and trends likely to affect business and society over the next decade. Let these ideas serve as a springboard for structured speculation about emerging issues and the next ten years.

Join John Schroeder, Executive Vice President of Retail, Foodservice and Water Groups at Marmon Holdings, for a discussion about how companies with a wide variety of brands and businesses functioning under one umbrella like Berkshire Hathaway, Inc. can innovate better by bringing entirely new things into the world that serve to critically improve life—radical transformation that requires courage, wisdom, and inspiration.

In this refreshing and candid session of the Ten Years Hence series, John Schroeder, Executive Vice President at Marmon Holdings, shared a rare behind-the-scenes look at innovation—not from the usual Silicon Valley tech pedestal, but through the gritty, patient, and deeply personal lens of chemical startups, consumer products, and industrial transformation. What emerged was not a pitch deck or a press release story, but a journey that showed how real innovation is built through uncertainty, failure, and relentless curiosity.

A Broader Definition of Innovation

Schroeder opened by challenging the narrow understanding of innovation as synonymous with flashy tech or billion-dollar unicorns. For him, innovation is about improving lives in tangible, lasting ways—whether through better water filtration or smarter retail design. It’s less about disruption for disruption’s sake and more about asking: “What could actually make this better?”

He described innovation as the “intersection of creativity, wisdom, and courage,” emphasizing that it’s not just about ideas, but the long, messy path of turning an idea into something that serves.

From Startup Dreams to Industrial Grit

Tracing his own path from startup founder to Marmon executive, Schroeder detailed the highs and lows of launching and growing a chemical company that transformed how people think about activated carbon. He recalled long nights in labs, scaling from grams to hundreds of pounds of product, and the emotional toll of financing a startup with personal and friends’ investments—underscoring just how high the stakes often are.

His honesty was disarming: “If I knew everything I would go through, I’m not sure I would have done it. But I’m glad I did.” It’s a powerful reminder that innovation often feels impossible until it’s done.

The Realities of Funding and Failure

A key theme was risk and resilience. Schroeder explained the hard math of venture capital: only one in ten startups truly succeeds. That means rejection is routine, progress is nonlinear, and even great products can falter without trust, timing, or traction. He also stressed the unique pressure of raising money from friends—people who believe in you personally, not just your pitch.

But credibility, he said, is the great equalizer. Winning over a major partner like Brita—after months of silence—transformed their trajectory. “Once you get a company like Dow or Brita to work with you, everything changes.”

Lessons for the Next Generation

Throughout the talk, Schroeder distilled his insights into timeless advice for students and entrepreneurs:

  • Invest in yourself first. Writing and speaking are your most portable, scalable tools.

  • Think portfolio, not perfection. In both careers and startups, don’t bet everything on one perfect opportunity.

  • Start with what you know, but don’t stop there. Great innovation comes from asking better questions and seeing familiar problems differently.

He offered a humorous but instructive anecdote about a NASCAR team that won by going slower—their tires lasted longer, meaning fewer pit stops. The lesson? Sometimes, winning means breaking the rules everyone assumes are fixed.

Final Reflections

John Schroeder’s story is a masterclass in grounded innovation. Rather than glorify failure or glamorize the founder lifestyle, he honored the small, cumulative victories that turn novel ideas into enduring products. His message: true innovation is deeply human—fueled by trust, refined by doubt, and sustained by courage.

For anyone wondering what innovation will look like ten years hence, Schroeder offered a different—and refreshingly honest—vision: not a promise of instant disruption, but a challenge to build with clarity, purpose, and staying power.


  • Innovation Starts With Real Problems, Not Big Headlines
    Schroeder challenged the Silicon Valley myth of innovation as flashy disruption. His own journey centered on improving things like water filters and foodservice tech—unsexy, but deeply impactful. Real innovation often starts not with breakthrough tech, but with overlooked, everyday pain points.

 

  • Age Is a Strength, Not a Barrier
    Contrary to the belief that startups are for the young, Schroeder emphasized that successful entrepreneurs tend to be older. Experience, industry knowledge, and networks are often the deciding factors—not raw energy. He began his startup in his 50s and sees wisdom as a competitive edge.

 

  • Failure Isn’t the End—It’s the Pivot Point
    One of Schroeder’s earliest ventures failed because the tech, though functional, was economically unviable. Rather than give up, he pivoted to a more affordable and scalable solution. The lesson: failure often reveals what doesn’t work—but also what just might.

 

  • Mission Attracts People—Even Before Profit Does
    Schroeder’s project gained unexpected traction because others believed in the mission. Engineers and partners helped not because they were promised huge returns, but because they saw value in the work. Innovation, when grounded in authentic purpose, brings collaborators organically.

 

  • Customers Are the Best Proof of Concept
    It wasn’t more R&D that made his company succeed—it was winning Brita as a customer. That endorsement did more than validate the product; it made the company acquisition-worthy. Real customers beat hypothetical models every time.

 

  • Big Companies Can’t Always Out-Innovate Startups
    Even after acquiring his company, Marmon and Dow couldn’t outperform the original tech team. For a decade, they licensed rather than replace Schroeder’s solution—proof that small teams, focused on a single mission, can hold a sustainable innovation edge.

  • Invest in your own edge: “I’d start with running and speaking. The stock market will always be there, but your skills are unique to you and you’ve gotta work to make them better.”
    — John Schroeder [00:09:00 → 00:09:30]

 

  • What defines a great business: “Stop buying fair businesses at wonderful prices and instead buy wonderful businesses at fair prices.”
    — John Schroeder [00:10:00 → 00:10:15]

 

  • When scale makes or breaks innovation: “If it was 6 nanometers, it worked. If it was 11, it didn’t. The size of the crystal determined everything.”
    — John Schroeder [00:41:00 → 00:41:15]

 

  • A late start doesn’t disqualify you: “I was probably not the most normal person to become an entrepreneur—I was about 50 when I started.”
    — John Schroeder [00:21:15 → 00:21:25]

 

  • The sharpest kind of pressure: “There is no more pressure than your friends giving you money.”
    — John Schroeder [00:48:50 → 00:49:00]

BusinessInnovationMendoza College of BusinessUniversity of Notre Dame

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