Raphael’s School of Athens: The Medium and the Message – What Does it All Mean? The Painting and its Subject
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- David Mayernik, Associate Professor, School of Architecture, University of Notre Dame
In Week 1 of the Rome Bookclub series on Raphaelās School of Athens, Professor David Mayernick, Associate Professor in the School of Architecture was joined by Professor Ingrid Rowland. The professors introduced the listeners to Raphael as a person, an artist, and a thinker. They answered the questions: What did he know, and when did he know it? How did he grow as an artist outside the usual studio system? Was he an intellectual as well as an artist?
Rowland started the conversation by speaking about two individuals that Raphael was likely influenced by. The first individual was Egidio da Viterbo, a popular preacher. Rowland said, ā[Rafaelloās] lucky to be in the company of two of the greatest explainers of his era- one of them is named Egidio da Viterbo[ā¦] he was famous as a preacher and what he did was try to bring the ideas of Plato into play with normal people. Heās probably in situations where he can talk to Raphael one-on-one. So some of what rafael is getting is from this man who was really the most influential theologian of his day and the most popular preacher.ā The second man was Tommaso Inghirami, ā the greatest actor of renaissance Romeā. Rowland remarked that āRaphael could ask him about things and [he wasnāt going to get] just some boring disquisitionā. Rowland and Mayernick agreed that it is most likely that these two individuals were incredible sources of knowledge for Raphael. Mayernick then posed the question āhow much did raphael bring to the conversation? Was he just the receptor or did he have anything to offer? we donāt really know. but when somebody paints something as influential and successful and sophisticated as what he painted, i think heās more than just a brush, he has to bring something- itās not his capacity to dig deep into those things, but to synthesize. He makes things easily understood by othersā. Rowland replied that while Raphael most likely was very intellectual himself, he was also probably a very good listener and receptor of information. She went on to say that āI think one of the reasons people thought he was so charming was that he was a good listener. You never really hear about what he was like, you hear that he was gentile and charming and with the giant egos of the renaissance i suspect that meant that he just sat quietly and just took it all in and processed itā. In closing, Mayernick drew a parallel between Raphaelās ability to listen and the figures he depicted as listeners in his paintings, saying āpainting is a silent medium. Whatever it can express, it has to express in silence. The challenge for the artist is whether you represent things happening or human interactions that involve speaking and listening. So as much as there is talking going on in the School of Athens, it means that more than half are listening. It puts the viewer of the painting as ālistenersā. when heās painting someone who is listening, he is painting you, the viewer, in that place.ā
- The great quality we see in renaissance art is partly due to the systematic exploitation of child labor (14:48 Rowland)
- (Rowland 17:00- 20:30) heās lucky to be in the company of two of the greatest explainers of his era- one of them is named Egidio da Viterbo[ā¦] he was famous as a preacher and what he did was try to bring the ideas of Plato into play with normal people. Heās probably in situations where he can talk to Raphael one-on-one. So some of what rafael is getting is from this man who was really the most influential theologian of his day and the most popular preacher.Ā
- (Rowland 21:00 – 25:00) the other man who is in constant contact with Raphael while heās painting the school of Athens is Tommaso Inghirami, who is the greatest actor of renaissance rome. [ā¦] so raphael could ask him about things and heās not just going to get some boring disquisition.Ā
- i think thatās where heās getting a lot of his information from, these two spectacularly dramatic performers (Rowland 26:00)
- The question is how much did raphael bring to the conversation? was he just the receptor or did he have anything to offer? we donāt really know. but when somebody paints something as influential and successful and sophisticated as what he painted, i think heās more than just a brush, he has to bring something- itās not his capacity to dig deep into those things, but to synthesize. He makes things easily understood by others. (Mayernick 26:00)
- The school of Athens isn’t filled with blank slates of figures, they’re really people. so he has their same ability to bring things to life (Rowland 27:00)
- florence is an absolutely crucial stop in raphaelās development and in the development of the whole artistic sensibilty (Rowland 31:00)
- Ā I think one of the reasons people thought he was so charming was that he was a good listener. you never really hear about what he was like, you hear that he was gentile and charming and with the giant egos of the renaissance i suspect that meant that he just sat quietly and just took it all in and processed it.Ā (Rowland 32:00)
- what there was between michelangelo and raphael was competition. and raphael being the younger one, probably thinks he has more to learn (Rowland 36:45)
- (Rowland) 44:00 – i think raphael has this way of conveying peace and belonging that is universalĀ
- (Mayernick) 45:00 46:00 – painting is a silent medium. Whatever it can express, it has to express in silence. The challenge for the artist is whether you represent things happening or human interactions that involve speaking and listening. so as much as there is talking going on in the school of Athens, it means that more than half are listening. it puts the viewer of the painting as ālistenersā. when heās painting someone who is listening, he is painting you, the viewer, in that place.
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